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minglwm
27 Feb 2019

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Was ist der Unterschied zwischen verstorben und gestorben ?Du kannst auch einfach Beispielsätze geben.

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Geheim
27 Feb 2019

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If you want to say that someone is dead, you can say both. “gestorben“ sound neutral and “verstorben“ is a bit more polite.

If you are using them as an adjective I would use “verstorben“:
“Der verstorbene Mann“ (the man, who died)

“Der gestorbene Mann“ sounds a bit weird like “the died man“.

Also “gestorben“ more refers to the act itself:
“Er ist gestorben“ means “he died“.
“Er ist verstorben“ also means “he died“ but you are giving him the status that he is dead now.

Rosalien
27 Feb 2019

  • Arabisch

@Geheim
accurate explaination 👌 , Please ,Could you explain to me !!

1- when we use the past participle as an adjective , does it mean that there something has already happened in the past and still happening till now ?

2- the prefix " er " in German
because i can't differentiate for example between ( lernen - erlernen ) /( gehen - ergehen )

Vielen Dank im Voraus 😊

Geheim
27 Feb 2019

  • Deutsch
1) exactly, unless you say something else within that sentence. For example: “Der zerbrochene Teller.“ means “the broken plate“. It has been broken in the past and is now still broken. If you add when it gets repaired, then you know until when it was broken, like in english: “Der zerbrochene Teller wurde gestern repariert.“ means “the broken plate was fixed yesterday“. So the plate was broken in the past until yesterday where it was repaired. 2) this one is tough. Sometimes if you add “er“ you get a completely new word, other times it sounds like you are a rich person talking very noble, which you would never do in a normal conversation and sometimes it just has a slightly other meaning. For your two examples: “lernen“ just means “to learn“ and “erlernen“ can also mean “to learn“, but has the meaning of something you learn that you have not been able to do before. In english you would rather say “to aquire“ and another german word for “erlernen“ would be “aneignen“. “gehen“ means “to go“, but “ergehen“ normally means something different and has very many different meanings depending on the context and how you use it. It is a rather complex word: “etwas über sich ergehen lassen“ means “to endure“, “Denkst du, es wird dir gut ergehen?“ means “do you think you will fare well?“ or “sich in etwas ergehen“ can mean “to indulge in something“ or “to bang on about something“. I have never seen anyone using the last phrase, the middle one is also quite uncommon, but you could hear/read the first one here and there. I hope this somehow helps a bit, it is quite advanced and difficult.

1) exactly, unless you say something else within that sentence. For example:
“Der zerbrochene Teller.“
means “the broken plate“. It has been broken in the past and is now still broken.
If you add when it gets repaired, then you know until when it was broken, like in english:
“Der zerbrochene Teller wurde gestern repariert.“ means “the broken plate was fixed yesterday“. So the plate was broken in the past until yesterday where it was repaired.

2) this one is tough. Sometimes if you add “er“ you get a completely new word, other times it sounds like you are a rich person talking very noble, which you would never do in a normal conversation and sometimes it just has a slightly other meaning.

For your two examples:
“lernen“ just means “to learn“ and “erlernen“ can also mean “to learn“, but has the meaning of something you learn that you have not been able to do before. In english you would rather say “to aquire“ and another german word for “erlernen“ would be “aneignen“.

“gehen“ means “to go“, but “ergehen“ normally means something different and has very many different meanings depending on the context and how you use it. It is a rather complex word:
“etwas über sich ergehen lassen“ means “to endure“,
“Denkst du, es wird dir gut ergehen?“ means “do you think you will fare well?“ or
“sich in etwas ergehen“ can mean “to indulge in something“ or “to bang on about something“.

I have never seen anyone using the last phrase, the middle one is also quite uncommon, but you could hear/read the first one here and there.

I hope this somehow helps a bit, it is quite advanced and difficult.

Rosalien
28 Feb 2019

  • Arabisch

@Geheim
Thank you so much ❤️, I am so grateful for your help and hard work to explain in detail .

minglwm
28 Feb 2019

  • Traditionelles Chinesisch (Hong Kong)
@Geheim Thank you.
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