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11 Mär 2016

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Was bedeutet "officer" in "client service officer" ?

I understand "officer" is not a worker in an office....
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NovaDusk
11 Mär 2016

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Officer means a person with authority, more common is a police officer or army officer.

So a client service officer is someone who is someone in charge or with high authority in client services (the boss for example)

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11 Mär 2016

Thank you, Nova! Your answer is very helpful! :)

Igirisujin
11 Mär 2016

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@misokatsu @NovaDusk ちょっと調べてみました。

Some job titles with "officer" are senior posts but there are also very junior posts called "~officer". (Call centre "customer service officers" for example.)

I thought I'd check because I had several jobs called "~officer" and it didn't necessarily mean high authority then.

Job titles have become more and more preposterous in an effort to attract staff over the years, so I would always be cautious about impressive-sounding job titles.

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11 Mär 2016

Thank you for your comment, Igirisujin! I felt that when I noticed that someone that works in his division alone was called ~officer.

Igirisujin
11 Mär 2016

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Misokatsusan, do you have a Japanese word like "preposterous"? It's one of my favourite English words. :)

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11 Mär 2016

If it means putting the cart before the horse, we may say 本末転倒 (ほんまつてんとう). For example, if you are reading the textbook prescribed for a class during the class without listening to it, we may describe it as 本末転倒している.

If it means unreasonable, we may say 矛盾(むじゅん)している。This word comes from an old Chinese story. A merchant was selling a pike spear (矛) and shield (盾), saying "You can break through anything with this pike spear! You can protect yourself from any attack with this shield!" A customer asked "If I attack you with the pike spear and you protect yourself with the shield, what will happen?" The merchant couldn't answer.

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Igirisujin
11 Mär 2016

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Thank you for your time and these new words Misokatsusan. I'll make a note of them, they'll come in handy. I like the Chinese story, that will help me remember 矛盾している。

Preposterous means something like "absurd" or "ridiculous" and we would use it when somebody exaggerates too much. It suggests the exaggeration is pompous or self-important.

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11 Mär 2016

No problem, Igirisujin! Honestly, I didn't know the meaning of "preposterous", so I consulted a dictionary. Thank you for giving me this chance to remember the word! :)

Igirisujin
12 Mär 2016

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@misokatsu I'm using a dictionary all the time. Even so I can't translate simple Japanese yet. I have to learn a lot more usage to get the right meaning of words. It's a bit daunting! :)

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12 Mär 2016

Right. We may need to remember new words and their usages in sentences or with contexts. I answered a question about the difference 真剣（しんけん） and 重大（じゅうだい）today. When I saw the question, I thought the questioner had looked up the words and the translations for both had been "serious", so he was confused. We say, 彼は真剣です(He is serious), but never say 彼は重大です。On the other hand, we say, その過失は重大です(The error is serious), but never say, その過失は真剣です。The difference is that of the subjects: someone or something. Even if you know the both meanings, maybe you cannot use a right word if you don't know the usage.

We have to learn cultural difference in language too. Sometimes, we cannot find equivalent words and the translation could be more difficult. For example, I just answered a question about the translation for "I love you". My answer for it was, "We don't have any equivalent words for 'I love you' in Japanese." One of the frequent questions on HiNative is, How do you say "How are you" in Japanese. My answer is "We don't say it much because we have a different greeting style in Japanese". Maybe simpler words are more difficult to translate....

Anyway, we have to learn more and more! がんばりましょう！

Igirisujin
12 Mär 2016

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Exactly so. I tried to translate 背伸びしない。I thought it would be something like "don't bite off more than you can chew", or "don't overreach yourself." It's a very simple phrase. Apparently it means "don't work too hard" or "don't overdo it" which is considerably different.

I yearn for the good old days of 台所、林檎 and 鳥。

You always give me some interesting words for my notes.

がんばりましょう！

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13 Mär 2016

Well, I don't know the context, but I think your translation for 背伸びをしない is correct. 背伸びをする means you try something difficult although it seems that you are likely to fail. For example, a child who has just started riding a tricycle may feel like riding a bike when his older brother is riding it. It seems difficult for him, but 背伸びをして he may try. Therefore, 背伸びをしない sounds like "you don't try something that seems difficult for you to complete because you are likely to fail."

Igirisujin
13 Mär 2016

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Ah, thank you @misokatsu . Yes, that's when we say "don't bite off more than you can chew".

Perhaps I misunderstood the follow up comment. I'll check.

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13 Mär 2016

Thank you for the interesting expression, Igirisujin! Tell me the sentence or context if you need my confirmation. :)

Igirisujin
13 Mär 2016

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Thank you for your help Misokatsuさん。I did misread his reply. Llike we said before, it's hard to understand usage sometimes.

It can be embarrassing but I feel I must throw myself in the deep end or I'll be reading books about grammar forever. We learn by our mistakes and that's another one fixed. :)

Thanks again.

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13 Mär 2016

You're welcome, Igirisujin! :)

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