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sidney
22 Apr 2015

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Wie sagt man das auf Englisch (US)? 1. None of them know me. 2. None of them knows me. 3. None of us have been there. 4. None of us has been there. 5. None of the books are mine. 6. None of the books is mine.

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sparklyglitz
22 Apr 2015

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"None" should be singular, but it's also very common for people to use it as plural.

In phrases like "none of us" or "none of the books", people instinctively use plural verbs ("have" and "are") since there are those plural subjects ("us" and "books"). However, "none" is a singular verb and it really should be used with singular verbs.

To answer your question, the correct ones are:
- None of them knows me
- None of us has been there
- None of the books is mine

If you use plural with "none", it's not completely wrong because people still debate this.

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sidney
22 Apr 2015

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sidney
22 Apr 2015

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None of them is my boss.
As for this sentence, I think it should always be singular.
What do you think?
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sparklyglitz
22 Apr 2015

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Yes, I think it should be singular.

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Gelöschter Nutzer
22 Apr 2015

I use the plural for all of these. Using the singular for these examples sounds extremely strange to my ears.

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sidney
22 Apr 2015

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Thank you for your valuable comment, I will take your suggestion and try to use the plural form.
Gelöschter Nutzer
22 Apr 2015

There are times where I use the singular, such as with mass nouns:

None of the food is good.
None of the trash has been taken out.

If I'm talking about "nothing within a group", then I use the plural (as in your examples):

None of them are coming to the party.
None of the books are worth reading.
None of the questions make sense.

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sparklyglitz
22 Apr 2015

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  • Vietnamesisch
  • Englisch (UK) Fast fließend

Using singular for some of these sound strange to my ears too. I would also use plural, but the singular is really the proper way

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sidney
22 Apr 2015

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Glad to see you're contributing to the discussion. Thanks for your clarification!
Gelöschter Nutzer
22 Apr 2015

But is it better to be proper and sound weird to natives or speak how everyone else does?

sidney
22 Apr 2015

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